Above: Course participants and tutors
In November 2017, Philip Dearden helped to facilitate the second international ‘Leaders of Tomorrow’ course at the Bureau International des Poids et Measures (BIPM) in Paris, France. As an integral part of the Leaders for Tomorrow course, the ‘Sound Beginning in CIPM MRA’ programme welcomed 24 participants from 20 different countries.
The BIPM is the intergovernmental organisation through which countries act together on matters related to measurement science and measurement standards. Courses such as this help countries with emerging metrology systems to overcome the challenges faced when integrating into the system of international standards of measurement.
Prior to the course, participants successfully completed CIDT’s online Results Based Management course. A face-to-face technical programme of study was followed by five intensive days of strategic and programme planning work led by Philip Dearden. During the workshop sessions, five teams of staff developed a range of strategic programmes for future implementation. Ideas were shared, developed, critiqued and then the final proposed programmes presented.
In the feedback on the programme a range of very positive comments were made:
- “All components of this course were useful. However the aspect of learning by doing was excellent.”
- “The course is hands on and participants are asked to carry the task in order to understand.”
- “Group work strategy was the best and must be maintained.”
- “The course content was great and the professional trainers worked with us very well as real team members.”
- “The course was very well structured and every aspect was important.”
- “This training was very effective and helped us understand how to develop a good project and then implement it effectively.”
The mission of the BIPM is to ensure and promote the global comparability of measurements, including providing a coherent international system of units for: Scientific discovery and innovation; Industrial manufacturing and international trade; and Sustaining the quality of life and the global environment. The unique role of the BIPM enables it to achieve its mission by developing the technical and organizational infrastructure of the International System of Units (SI) as the basis for the worldwide traceability of measurement results. This is achieved both through technical activities in its laboratories and through international coordination.
Photos from the interactive sessions
Course participants and tutors celebrate a sucessful course
CIDT teams are training Government officials in two Borrowing Member Countries (BMCs) of the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB); Grenada and Barbados. In each country CIDT are delivering a suite of Project Cycle Management training modules to an audience of cross-Ministry staff engaged in design, implementation or reporting of projects. Training is to be rolled out to a further 17 countries in 2018.
The Caribbean Development Bank is driving a wide transformation agenda to catalyse the change needed if the Region is to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals by 2030. To enable more effective management of policy, programmes and projects and contribute to addressing the regional implementation deficit, the Bank is executing a Public Policy Analysis and Management (PPAM) and Project Cycle Management (PCM) Training programme, to which CIDT are contracted as the PCM training consultants.
In November to December 2017 CIDT staff will deliver 21 days of training in Grenada and Barbados, including modules in risk management, monitoring and evaluation, project implementation, managing technical assistance, project appraisal and train the trainer. In Barbados Des Mahony led the training team, working with CIDT regional associates Joy Mapp Jobbity and Susan Branker Green. In Grenada, Patt Flett launched the programme with Claudia Nicholson, Karen Persad, and Nana Hesse-Bayne. Ella Haruna supported training delivery in both countries.
Participant feedback was very positive on the training:
- “It was well executed”
- “The course was great”
- “No improvements needed – it was excellent!”
The key outcomes of the 2015-18 PPAM and PCM Training Programme are improved PPAM and PCM practices at individual/institutional levels, in BMCs and within the Bank; and a more robust CDB pipeline of investment and Technical Assistance projects. In addition to the large training programme in 19 BMCs, CIDT will support other components: support to 5 programme regional workshops, and a number of call-down days to support ‘stuck’ projects or provide additional bespoke training.
Media Coverage of the PPAM and PCM Training Programme in Grenada and Barbados
- Public Officers Receive Training, Now Grenada
- Two countries commence CDB funded training to improve public policy and project management, Caribbean News
- Read more about CIDT’s work to support the CDB PPAM and PCM Training programme
CIDT were initially contracted in 2012 to conduct the Training Needs Assessment that fed into to the Bank’s design of the project. In 2016 CIDT were invited by programme coordinator Mr Reginald Graham to provide Monitoring and Evaluation Technical Assistance for the start-up phase of the Caribbean Development Bank’s new capacity development programme. The assignment included assisting the Bank to establish a country-led M&E system in the six phase one countries including Barbados, Bahamas, Guyana, Saint Lucia, Turks and Caicos, Trinidad and Tobago. Find out more in the following news articles:
- CIDT review online learning in the Caribbean
- M&E technical assistance to Public Policy Analysis and Management and Project Cycle Management training programme
- Read more about CIDT’s training work with CDB’s Caribbean Technological Consultancy Services (CTCS) Network
CIDT have provided Capacity Development Support for a series of workshops on Managing for Development Results (MfDR) for the Caribbean Technological Consultancy Services (CTCS) Network’s Cooperating Institutions for the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB). See the following news articles:
- CIDT staff deliver an intensive Managing for Development Results (MfDR) for the Caribbean Development Bank
- CIDT continue their Managing for Development Results (MfDR) capacity development work with the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB)
Photos from the workshop
CIDT through the EU-funded Citizen Voices for Change project participated in the Congo Basin Forest Partnership 17th Meeting of the Parties from 24–27 October in Douala, Cameroon. CIDT was represented by forest governance and monitoring experts Dr Aurelian Mbzibain and Richard Nyirenda.
Aurelian Mbzibain and Richard Nyirenda prepared a background paper on ‘How to address the lack of adequate regulation of the fast growing national and regional timber’. This was delivered in the ‘Forest Governance/Policy and Land Use’ stream of the meeting.
A presentation of the paper was made at the conference including another presentation looking at the challenges and issues for monitoring legality within domestic and regional timber markets in the Congo basin. More than 60 participants took attended the stream on Forest Governance, Policy and Land use stream.
CIDT’s contribution on this stream was critical in influencing some of the recommendations of the work stream. The relevant recommendations are;
- Recommendation 1: Develop a practical guide entitled “Technological decision-making tools for the Congo Basin” to guide users and practitioners based on the kind of information they search for. This practical guide will be unveiled at the next MOP and distributed to participants.
- Recommendation 4: Conduct, under the auspices of the COMIFAC General Secretariat, a feasibility study on the possibilities for the Congo Basin forest nations to adopt a tax incentive aimed at gradually formalizing the domestic wood industries. The findings of the study will be considered during a technical validation session that will take place during the next MOP.
CIDT will be involved in the implementation of Recommendation 1 through some of the applications and platforms that are being developed with partners through the CV4C project, namely FLEGT Watch, the Open Timber Portal (WRI), and OBSTER (CED).
The Congo Basin Forest Partnership (CBFP) is a non-profit initiative to promote the conservation and responsible management of the Congo Basin’s tropical forests. The main objective of this partnership is to improve the management of natural resources and increase the standard of living in the Congo Basin. The CBFP now brings together 70 partners from governments, donors, international organisations, NGOs, scientific institutions and the private sector. Find out more about the CBFP Meeting of the Parties.
Below: The CV4C team give out information at the project stand.
CIDT, collaborating with the Interpol Regional office for Central Africa, delivered a 3-day workshop (14-16 November 2017) on law enforcement and illegal logging in the Congo Basin in Yaoundé, Cameroon.
The conference forms part of the EU funded project Citizen Voices for Change (CV4C) which aims to strengthen the contribution of civil society, indigenous peoples and community organisations to improve forest governance and sustainable forest management.
This conference, the first of its kind, brought together law enforcement authorities and non-state actors in the Congo Basin.
The main objectives of the workshops were to to explore how their different roles can serve to support each other, explore mechanisms for exchanging and sharing information and build mutual trust for collaboration to achieve their respective remits to improve forest governance and fight against illegal logging and trade.
An impactful agenda
Items on the agenda included:
- Update on Voluntary Partnership Agreements (VPAs)
- The State of law enforcement, forest trade and forest crimes in the Congo Basin – an introduction to the law enforcement agencies in the region
- Civil society led forest monitoring in the Congo Basin, contributions to law enforcement – forest monitoring tools and methodologies
- Transparency and corruption in natural resources sectors in the Congo Basin – lessons learned from other illegal industries and activities concerning wildlife, fauna, drugs and human trafficking
- Looking beyond forest concessions
- Forest Control inspection and enforcement- who does what and how.
- Facilitated Session on Establishment of a forest law enforcement working group in the Congo Basin
- Bilateral meetings between law enforcement and civil society – Concrete plans for collaboration
Following two full days of presenting different methodologies, tools, collaborative partnerships and challenges with respect to the above agenda items, state and non-state actors came together to discuss and develop country-specific action plans addressing how they will work collaboratively to improve the response of law enforcement in the illegal timber industry.
The discussion period allowed for actors, who have never had the opportunity to sit before each other, to understand the challenges and constraints that shape one another’s capacity to achieve their organisational and industry aims.
The cross-sectoral discussions produced country and context specific action plans focussing on the integration of lessons learned from the conference and their day to day work.
Irrespective of these diverse country contexts, the actors representing the five countries* involved in CV4C have identified next-step actions that resonate across the region.
Commitment to action
Below are some of the proposed actions to be taken.
- Revision of the National Strategy for Forest and Wildlife Control (CAM)
- Create a multi-actor national databases on environmental crime and mechanism for maintenance including Independent Observer reports (CAM, CAR, DRC, GAB, RDC)
- Create an Independent Observer network at national level with mechanisms of sharing information (DRC)
- Strengthen the capacity of CSOs and justice at the provincial and local levels in the monitoring of forest activities (DRC)
- Broaden the number of actors in collaboration and partnership opportunities with the public authorities and law enforcement agencies including Interpol (CAM, GAB, RDC)
*The conference brought together participants hailing from the five project countries that form CV4C: Cameroon, Central African Republic, Republic of Congo, Gabon and Democratic Republic of Congo. Additionally, there were participants from Ghana, Ivory Coast, Equatorial Guinea, Belgium, USA, and France.
For further details and information about the sessions and to download the PowerPoint presentations please see the conference web page.
Photos from the event
Philip Dearden, Head of CIDT, presented a session entitled ‘Thinking Globally – Acting Locally – How the International Sustainable Development Goal can help frame our Civil Mission in Action’ at a Civic Mission Summit in Cardiff, Wales.
Philip joined a range of speakers from across the country at the Civil Mission Wales: Connecting Campus, Community and the World. Organised by the Welsh Government in association with Cardiff University the summit covered the latest developments in the civic mission of higher education. Key speakers included Professor Ellen Hazelkorn and Professor John Goddard alongside the Cabinet Secretary for Education, Kirsty Williams AC/AM.
In his presentation Phil explained that the SDGs are universal and cover all countries including the UK. He stressed the important role of both Businesses and Universities in delivering the SDGs. He also importantly noted a perceived ‘accountability gap’ regarding domestic SDG implementation in the UK. Phil has spent his career working in international development. In this session however he presented a case study of the University of Wolverhampton, a post 1992 regional university located in challenged city areas of the UK. He noted that the University’s role as both an economic and social anchor locally and regionally is growing in significance. Three current university initiatives were presented and mapped across the corresponding SDGs:
- ASPIRE to Higher Education. This focused programme is aimed at encouraging the raising of aspirations of youngsters in the most deprived areas and sparking their interest in Higher Education and hence access to better life opportunities.
- A new Institute for Community Research and Development(ICRD). The new institute will provide a focus for local and regional research and development activities.
- A UNESCO Learning City/Region. The university has the strategic endorsement of the local authority to progress this overarching collaborative proposal of building a ‘Learning City’ by engaging with developing sectors, small business community and the voluntary sector; and through partnerships ensure that the university acts as a window on a wider richly diverse world.
In conclusion Phil noted the growing importance of the SDGs in the UK and then examined the current challenges of moving the SDGs from Global to Local making them ‘Glocal’. He stressed the importance of taking these ‘Glocal’ ideas and sharing them with each other at conferences such as this one. He also stressed the need for both SDG accountability and reporting in the UK and the use of open data to allow citizens to participate.
The Summit featured panel discussions on the civic mission of higher education and provided a unique opportunity to share experiences with other institutions.
Photographs from the Civil University Summit.
Below: Professor Colin Riodan, Vice Chancellor Cardiff University opening the Summit
Below: Professor Philip Dearden presenting his session ‘Thinking Globally Acting Locally’ How the international Sustainable Development Goals can help frame our Civic University in Action.
Below: Kirsty Williams AM, Cabinet Secretary for Education, Welsh Governement, presenting her keynote: Growing the Civil Mission in Wales.
Below: Professor John Goddard, OBE AcSS Emiertus Professor and Special Advisor to the Vice Chanlelor and President, Centre for Urban and RegionalDevelopment Studies (CURDS), Newcastle University presenting his keynote: Cicvil Engagment, Civic Universities and Place.
Below: Professor Ellen Hazelkorn, Professor Emeritus and Director Higher Education policy Research Unit Dublin Institute of Technology, giving key keynote Civil Engagement and Higher Education : The Evolving Agenda.
Below: A lively panel discussion underway.
CIDT is leading a new four-year study in Zimbabwe that will track 3780 students to explore the factors that influence school dropouts. The study is funded by UNICEF.
Over the next four years CIDT and a research team in Zimbabwe will track a cohort of boys and girls, to understand how they progress through primary and secondary school. In particular, this longitudinal research seeks to illuminate the factors that predict and account for successful transition and survival (or dropping out) in Zimbabwean schools.
The study will review the process of dropping out of school with the aim of pinpointing the best entry points for optimal impact of policy and programme interventions. We will seek to learn from the pathways pursued of those children that drop out of school, as well as the actions at different levels that can enhance participation in the education system.
We will use mixed methods approaches to investigate a range of factors operating at the level of the learner as well as interrogate the influences of the household, school, community and institutional dimensions on education outcomes in Zimbabwe.
In total the study is targeting a nationally representative sample of 3780 students drawn from a range of school types, geographical locations, and socio-economic backgrounds.
In this project the CIDT is collaborating with two national consultancy firms based in Zimbabwe: Muthengo Development Solutions and Development Data.
The project team consists of Mary Surridge (Team leader), Lilla Oliver (Education Specialist) and Canford Chiroro (Project Manager and Qualitative Research Specialist).
For further information please do not hesitate to contact Dr Canford Chiroro.
CIDT has conducted a one-week visit for consultation on the curriculum of a suite of Project Cycle Management (PCM) training modules, with the staff of the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB). In July 2017 CIDT commenced services as PCM training consultants to the Public Policy Analysis and Management (PPAM) and Project Cycle Management Training programme of the Bank to roll out an ambitious training programme to 19 Borrowing Member Countries (BMCs) of the CDB.
CIDT and the PPAM training providers Dods Training will deliver a suite of modules (26 days of training) in each BMC for different training audiences of Government officials including Permanent Secretaries and senior technical officers from various line ministries. The suite of PCM courses targets technical officers, analysts, managers in the public sector; whose work directly involves the design, development, monitoring or reporting of projects. The overall learning objective is to enable more effective management of policy, programmes and projects and contribute to addressing the regional implementation deficit. This is part of the wider transformation agenda being driven by the CDB, to catalyse the change needed if the Region is to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals by 2030.
The CDB PPAM/PCM training programme is currently in the inception and curriculum development phase. CIDT staff Prof. Philip Dearden and Ella Haruna, with associate Dr Vasantha Chase, attended a series of consultation meetings and workshops to inform the programme’s Monitoring and Evaluation systems and the content of the three PPAM modules, seven PCM module and a Train The Trainer module. Feedback from staff showed that the approach and content of the modular framework developed was broadly on track – all modules will be tweaked and updated in line with the very useful feedback received from CDB staff based on their experience working with the officials in BMCs .
The key outcomes of the 2015-18 PPAM and PCM Training Programme are improved PPAM and PCM practices at individual/institutional levels, in BMCs and within the Bank; and a more robust CDB pipeline of investment and Technical Assistance projects. In addition to the large training programme in 19 BMCs, the other components CIDT will deliver include: support to 5 programme regional workshops, and a number of call-down days to support ‘stuck’ projects or provide additional bespoke training.
Read Media Coverage of the PPAM and PCM Training Programme 2016-2018
- Caribbean News Now: CDB rolls out training programme to support regional institutional reform in 19 countries.
- Wack 90.1 FM (Trinidad and Tobago): CDB introduces training initiative.
- Jamaica Observer (Jamaica): CDB begins training programme for Caribbean countries.
- The Caribbean Radio (USA): CDB rolls out training programme to support regional institutional reform in 19 countries.
Read more about CIDT’s work to support the CDB PPAM and PCM Training programme.
CIDT were initially contracted in 2012 to conduct the Training Needs Assessment that fed into to the Board Paper of the project. In 2016 CIDT were invited back by programme coordinator Mr Reginald Graham to support the first phase of the programme with Monitoring and Evaluation Technical Assistance for the start-up phase of the Caribbean Development Bank’s new capacity development programme. The assignment included assisting the Bank to establish a country-led M&E system in the six phase one countries including Barbados, Bahamas, Guyana, Saint Lucia, Turks and Caicos, Trinidad and Tobago. For more information see this news item and also this news article.
Read more about CIDT’s training work with CDB’s Caribbean Technological Consultancy Services (CTCS) Network
CIDT have provided Capacity Development Support for a series of workshop on Managing for Development Results (MfDR) for the Caribbean Technological Consultancy Services (CTCS) Network’s Cooperating Institutions for the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB). See this news item and also this news article.
Download programme brochure
Please contact Ella Haruna the contract manager of this programme for further information
Photos from the Curriculum development workshop
CIDT’s Sarah Thomas and Dr Aurelian Mbzibain conducted a Managing for Development Results (MfDR) workshop for the Caribbean Technological Consultancy Services (CTCS) Network of the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB). The workshop, which was held in Haiti from 21-25 August 2017, brought together 26 participants (20 males and 6 females) from all over the country.
The CTCS programme seeks to contribute to the stimulation of entrepreneurship, while at the same time enhancing the competitiveness of the Region’s productive sector through capacity building and skills transfer. In line with its mission, this training was delivered to address key operational and managerial deficiencies amongst beneficiaries and to enhance the competitiveness of Micro, Small and Medium-sized Enterprises (MSMEs) in Haiti.
In his welcoming words Michel Thomas, Operations Officer (CTCS) Private Sector Development Division of Caribbean Development Bank (CDB), noted the importance of the workshop and the key role of the participants in firstly learning about MfDR and then sharing it in their own workplaces with both colleagues and client groups. Mr Frantz Bernard CRANN, President of the Board of Directors of the Haiti Financial Society for Development (Société Financière Haïtienne de Développement S.A, known by its French acronym SOFIHDES), appreciated the support of the CDB to national development efforts in the Caribbean and Haiti more specifically. He called on all participants to engage actively in the course, to share their experiences and learn from international best practices in MfDR.
During the workshop participants worked enthusiastically on the development of real projects for their own areas of work. The general quality of the training of trainers (TOT) work undertaken and presented on the last day of the workshop by the participants was very high.
Evaluation feedback on the workshop was very positive with many participants reporting that they had both fully engaged in the workshop process and learned a lot of practical, useful information and new skills. For many, the concepts surrounding MfDR have been demystified in a practical and useful manner.
Some feedback received at the end of the course:
“I am completely satisfied with the way this training was organised and delivered. Congratulations to those who organised the workshop and facilitators. I would recommend that SOFIHDES maintains this level of responsibility and engagement. Once again congratulations.”
“This training was brilliantly delivered. The trainers were excellent – the tools used were appropriate and the timelines respected. I recommend that the next time the training is delivered that participants actually write up a full proposal.”
CIDT would like to thank Mr Michel Thomas for his very helpful briefings and careful planning of the workshop. We would also like to thank SOFIHDES officials for excellent organisation of the event especially Mr Frantz Bernard CRANN, Madame Michaelle Lamothe FORTUNE and Caroline PIDOUX for their help and support in organising the logistics of the workshop and for preparing all the course materials. Most of all, we would like to thanks all the participants for their very active participation in what was an intensive workshop – together we achieved a lot in a short space of time!
Transparency of information along the timber supply chain is a fundamental prerequisite for combatting illegal logging and improving forest management in the Congo Basin. Without access to information and key documents, buyers and investors cannot demonstrate that they are sourcing legally-produced timber. Nor can producers prove that they are in fact following the rules.
The World Resources Institute (WRI) has a long-standing history of creating information tools in the Congo Basin forest sector. Our newest contribution is the Open Timber Portal, which builds on data collected by the National Forest Atlases in five Congo Basin countries (Cameroon, CAR, Congo, DRC and Gabon) and the Global Forest Watch partnership.
The Open Timber Portal is an independent web platform that promotes trade in legally harvested forest products by compiling information about forest sector compliance from government, private sector and Independent Forest Monitors (IFM) in producer countries. It aims to bring transparency to timber operations and supply chains by making available key information and documents about compliance with timber legality requirements and on-the-ground management practices. The Open Timber Portal compiles information from three different sources: official concession boundaries and operator information from the forest administration; documents uploaded voluntarily by companies to demonstrate legality compliance; and forest management observations by IFM. The Open Timber Portal was designed by WRI in consultation with a number of local civil society organizations, government agencies, companies, and industry associations. The Open Timber Portal serves IFM by improving their access to key company and government documents, helping them prepare and prioritize their missions. After the mission, the IFM are invited to enter their observations in the Open Timber Portal, along with evidence and reports. Each IFM has access to an online library where they can save and organize its reports and associated documentation.
In a time of proliferating web-based tools, why build another platform? The key contribution of the Open Timber Portal is to make more information available at the company level. Other tools often focus on the country level (such as the ETTF Timber Trade Portal, or NEPCon’s Sourcing Hub) or at the level of individual consignments (such as the BVRio Due Diligence Tool). In addition, the Open Timber Portal is the only platform that has been adapted to IFM needs.
While these tools play an important role in company due diligence research, the Open Timber Portal works directly with forest operators in the Congo Basin to voluntarily upload key documents about their company and concession management. The site draws the full list of registered operators in a producer country from the National Forest Atlas, and works with these companies to upload a set of documents defined as key indicators for compliance. Based on the percentage of documents shared, these forest operators are ranked in order of transparency. Traders and importers thereby have a user-friendly overview over all the forest operators producing timber in a country, and can quickly filter by additional criteria such as certification and existence of observations and the associated evidence from independent forest monitoring missions. The website levels the playing field: The portal does not assess or verify legality of operations, or recommend companies, but the Open Timber Portal does provide a free and publicly available tool facilitating due diligence for buyers. At the same time, the portal also provides forest operators with a marketing tool to promote their products, and to differentiate themselves from their competitors by instilling confidence in their operations. Finally, the tool serves as an opportunity for producer country governments to promote their national forest sector to import markets.
While the Open Timber Portal will initially focus on the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Republic of Congo, WRI is working on expanding the scope to other relevant timber producing countries, following first with Gabon and Cameroon. The portal will launch in fall of 2017. To sign up for updates or to participate in user testing, please visit the OTP website. For questions, contact Marie Vallee at email@example.com.
Figure 1: The operator page on the Open Timber Portal, highlighting the percentage of documents shared by the company.
Figure 2: The operator page on the Open Timber Portal, highlighting the number of observations of suspected non-compliance submitted by independent forest monitors.
CIDT forest governance and capacity building experts Richard Nyirenda and Des Mahony delivered a Forest Governance and Training of Trainers course in Indonesia, hosted by Burung Indonesia from the 4-15 September 2017. The two-week training course was held as part of an EU funded project coordinated by Birdlife International. The project is also implemented in Malaysia, Philippines and Papua New Guinea.
The training course involved participants from civil society, private sector (Ecosystem Restoration Concessions) and government (Ministry of Environment and Forestry – Forest Management Units). Learning was focused on building the skills and understanding of participants on forest governance,as well as the development and delivery of training programmes. During the course participants had the opportunity to develop innovative and collaborative responses to governance challenges in Indonesia. At the end of the course, participants developed individual action plans on how they will integrate the lessons learned into their day to day work. Topics covered during the course included:
- Drivers of poor forest governance
- Corruption and criminality in the forest sector
- Timber legality assurance systems (TLAS)
- Forest governance monitoring and assessment
- Multi-stakeholder processes
- Communication and Presentation skills
- Training Needs Assessments
- Training and Learning Methods
The training course was officially opened by the Director General for Sustainable Management of Production Forests in the Indonesian Ministry of Environment and Forestry, Pak Djohan Utama Perbatasari. He highlighted that the training was critical in building the capacity of stakeholders in improving forest governance in Indonesia within the framework of both FLEGT-VPA and REDD+ and in supporting the Ecosystem Restoration Working Group to contribute positively toward the policy making process in Indonesia. Indonesia is the first country to issue FLEGT licenses since November, 2016.
Similar courses led by CIDT will be held in the Philippines, Malaysia and Papua New Guinea in the next few months.